Adam B (Thumbplay) says:
December 20th, 2007 at 1:22 pm

Thanks for the update as well as hosting this competition. It’s greatly appreciated among many of us.

Rami says:
December 20th, 2007 at 1:23 pm

finally you cared about informing your readers!!!!!!
Ok then Friday shall it be…

jack b says:
December 20th, 2007 at 1:42 pm

That’s all we wanted to hear. Now that wasn’t too painful was it?!

Pun says:
December 20th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

The Crunchies failed in crunch time.

Just kidding. Can’t wait to hear from you guys on Friday.

Matt Buck says:
December 20th, 2007 at 2:30 pm

Thanks for the update! Looking forward to it.

Jeremy LeBard says:
December 20th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

Tell me about it! We soft launched a site two weeks before Christmas (result of an 18mo journey) and now I’m moving house only days before Rudolf visits. [Sigh]

M says:
December 20th, 2007 at 5:12 pm

thank god , u speak some words finally…
i am looking forward…

richard says:
December 20th, 2007 at 11:45 pm

LAME! Imagine what arrington and his clones would write about if a company promised something (as simple as counting numbers) and they were late in delivering. Kinda funny though!!!

Sandi says:
December 20th, 2007 at 11:48 pm

I can honestly say the voting mechanics of the crunchies was pathetic. Anyone could vote for a company for every category and you could delete cookies and continue to vote all day. I expected more from such professionals. Come on guys, you have the admit the voting process was bad at best.

Geoff says:
December 20th, 2007 at 11:58 pm

It seems there were a few comments on the last post compalining about the delay. I’m glad that TC and the other blogs took the extra time that they felt they needed, especially if it means the finalists will be high quality and chosen from the whole set of entries.
Though they may not be able to look at all the startups nominated, if they were more concerned with time rather than quality they could have just pruned the list that they’re looking at. I’m glad they sided with the quality of the contest

dodo says:
December 21st, 2007 at 3:28 am

hmm, 12:27 Paris time, still can’t see the finalists vote online.

is it possible to precise the what time exactly??

Waiting says:
December 21st, 2007 at 7:12 am

TC please don’t miss the new new deadline.

jo says:
December 21st, 2007 at 7:53 am

What’s the over/under on number of missed deadlines? 5? I got $10 on the over…

Alex says:
December 21st, 2007 at 7:57 am

The suspense is thrilling me! Killing me! Driving me! I check this site several times a day, waiting for the time when finally, the finalists will be posted. Are we listed? Who’s the best around?

It’s driving me CRAZY!

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December 21st, 2007 at 8:14 am

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Joe says:
December 21st, 2007 at 8:32 am

HA. Its 8:30 their time. Officially the work day. Which means if they havent flipped the switch already, it means their not done yet. Which means they’re going to miss today, their third deadline and we’ll be stuck until Monday.

Fucking pathetic. Someone needs to be fired.

Joe says:
December 21st, 2007 at 9:52 am

And now they’re blogging about the writers strike. PATHETIC.

Steve Jabs says:
December 21st, 2007 at 9:59 am

@Geoff

EXACTLY! Thank you for pointing that out. My biggest qualm with the whole thing is that everyone thinks that this must be such an easy thing to do. If they were getting the majority votes as nominations… it would be. But anyone could overrun the voting system with numerous votes for a startup that just isn’t worth nomination. I’m glad also that this is an obvious sign that they are going through as many of these nominations as possible and picking the best of the group.

Dave Thomas says:
December 21st, 2007 at 10:40 am

True, the voting site stinks. But you know TechCrunch are not developers themselves. They are critics of developers, that is the difference. Most critics cannot do what they are critiquing it is just part of the game. The site is build on WordPress, not a custom developed application like Digg etc, it is a news site not a stunning example of technical innovation, so what do you expect in regards to their voting site.

pelf says:
December 21st, 2007 at 11:08 am

Sandi, is not as easy as it seems. Initially the voting was being blocked by IP address –instead of cookies — but that introduced a problem with people from a company (for ex.) being unable to vote if they only had one single public ip address.

The solution was to block voting with cookies, and store voters ip address, and at the end process all the votes and filter out spammed (fraudulent) votes. It worked pefectly.

Fred Oliveira says:
December 21st, 2007 at 11:09 am

Dave, you’re actually wrong on several accounts. Here’s why:

When we built the voting system (in rails, not on top of wordpress as you stated) we had a pretty robust voting system, that blocked by ip address and was pretty smart at figuring out fraud. It was then requested by our client (Techcrunch / GigaOm / RRW / Venturebeat) that the ip restriction was brought down in favor of a cookie-based restriction (which we were personally against).

So what we did to make things better was automatically detect fraud from people deleting cookies (which I’m sure you can imagine is pretty easy to do with a SQL query, for a developer). So in the end, we did a formula for calculating the fraud percentage for each company (some had over 95% fraud) and it was ignored. Companies with hundreds of people sharing a single IP address were counted regularly as well.

So the thing is: don’t assume stuff you don’t know about – this blog and the voting machines are completely different things, as are the implementations (one wordpress on PHP, one a bespoke system on Rails). Be patient, and don’t be a critic (which is funny, because you’re actually writing against them, too).

Joe says:
December 21st, 2007 at 11:28 am

Its almost lunchtime for Cali and they havent released it.

LOL they’re not going to. Suck it, TechCrunch. You failed pretty horribly at this.

LonelyGirl15 says:
December 21st, 2007 at 11:53 am

what gonna happen when Joe’s co. don’t get a nod?

jack b says:
December 21st, 2007 at 12:19 pm

You know at this stage I just want it to be over already.but you got to appreciate the effort needed.

Not an easy task, maybe they should have given themselves more time.

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December 21st, 2007 at 12:45 pm

[...] The nomination process wrapped up on Dec. 13, and the Crunchies blog has been promising to post the 100 finalists (for all 20 categories) for several days now. People are beginning to get antsy, especially because the finalists need to go up before another round of live voting can begin, which will eventually determine the winner of each award. The deadline for announcing these finalists has been pushed back twice already, and the blog currently promises that the names will be up by Dec. 21. [...]

Dave Thomas says:
December 21st, 2007 at 1:16 pm

Fred,

A little defensive are we? Well if it was written Rails…then it MUST be a stellar app. My comment regarding WordPress was related to the TechCrunch site, I am just saying not to expect so much from them. Who cares if it was written in PHP or Rails? Shitty implementations can be done in either and fraudsters don’t care which one you are using.

Well blocking by IP is a bad idea to start off with and your client was correct in their take on this as many ISPs will function as proxies, so they all share the same IP. Since you appear to be experts in the fraud arena, how are you blocking/detecting anonymous proxies? How about Tor? IP spoofing? And as for making assumptions about things I don’t know about, well I think you are wrong there, you are making the assumptions and stating in a public forum your “sophisticated” algorithms for preventing fraudulent votes is a joke.

There are companies that specialize in preventing online voting fraud, it might have been good to talk with them regarding this, many have easy APIs that can be utilized.

So really based on your statements here I think it is pretty safe to say that the vote results will be skewed and invalid. Good thing that it is not based on votes alone, I am sure that the TechCrunch writers have a good idea of who should be nominated. The voting alone is a joke really.

Isaac Garcia says:
December 21st, 2007 at 1:17 pm

Hey everyone….here are the finalists

http://vote.crunchies.techcrunch.com/#

WANKERS says:
December 21st, 2007 at 1:44 pm

ITS ALL A FIX, ONE BIG JOKE
JUST OUT TO MAKE THEM MONEY

THEY TREATED US ALL DISGUSTINGLY

FUCK EM

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December 21st, 2007 at 1:51 pm

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Kevin-Disenchanted_Startuper says:
December 21st, 2007 at 3:02 pm

What a funny Xmas joke. So much ado about this? Digg, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc – startups? why not Google and MySpace then? If anything, do they really lack publicity and user acceptance? We thought this was about giving REAL startups a chance to get exposure to the media and VCs. I guess we got a chunk of coal in our Christmas stockings.

Merry Christmas, everyone! The fat cats, too.

Publicity thirsty and capital starving startupers

Dave Thomas says:
December 21st, 2007 at 3:02 pm

Cool, there up. I thought it was for companies that were started this year. Is Digg really considered a startup?

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@Dave

Can you be more specific at what “companies that specialize in preventing online voting fraud” really do? They analyze results? they make people install stuff? I’m interested in knowing that

If there is a way to detect, there is always a way of not being detected.

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